Closing In On The Cut: November 2012

It does not feel like it has been that long since the season’s first seedings revision back in August, but with just two events (one for those unable to qualify for the International Championship), ahead of the crucial second cut-off, click below for my thoughts on the race for places at the Masters, UK Championship, German Masters and Shoot Out.

Note that a further update will be posted after the ET3 event, when the situation will become clearer…


  • Click here to view the draw for ET3
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  • Click here to view the latest projected seedings
  • Click here to view the points tariffs for events this season

On 5th November 2012 following the inaugural International Championship, the seedings list will be revised for the second time this season and will be used to determine the seedings for the upcoming UK Championship and German Masters ranking tournaments. In addition, the top 16 at the time of the cut-off will qualify for next year’s invitational Masters event, while the top 64 will be eligible to compete in the 2013 Shoot Out.

As confirmed previously by World Snooker, by 5th November 2012, points from the 2010 PTC1, PTC2, PTC3, PTC4, EPTC1, Shanghai Masters, World Open, EPTC2, PTC5, PTC6, EPTC3 and EPTC4 events will have been deducted and replaced by those from the start of this season up until that date.

As always, I have already removed from the appropriate column on my latest projected seedings list, to show the situation as up to date as possible…

Battle for Number 1

With a 5,410 point lead at the season’s first cut-off point, Mark Selby looked to hold a comfortable position at the head of the rankings, but successive first-round defeats at the last two full-ranking events have allowed both John Higgins and Judd Trump to reduce the gap to almost nothing.

With just 985 points separating the three and a huge 8,800 points to play for over the next two events, it is difficult to make any predictions at this point. It is though worth noting that Selby has been handed surely the toughest draw of the seeds at the International Championship with a last 32 tie against World Championship runner-up Ali Carter.

Perhaps even more interesting is the fact that all three players are in the same half of the draw, with Trump and Higgins both in the same quarter. I suspect then, that we could well see a number one showdown over in China, perhaps two if the winner of a potential clash between Higgins and Trump, were then to face Selby in the last four…

Battle for the Top 8

With so many points up for grabs over the coming weeks, everyone as far down as 13th placed Ricky Walden is in contention for a place inside the top eight at the next cut-off, mathematically at least.

The best placed player to crack that top group however is Northern Ireland’s Mark Allen, who trails recent ET2 winner Neil Robertson by 3,420 points with two events to go. Assuming for the purposes of simplicity that both reach the same round of ET3 in Antwerp at the end of the month, Allen would require at least a semi-final run at the International Championship if he is to stand any chance of overhauling the Australian.

If Neil is able to win his last 32 match against Ryan Day however, then it may be that Allen would need to go all the way in Chengdu if he is to overhaul either Robertson, or possibly Stephen Maguire or Stephen Lee above depending on their results.

Similarly, the likes of Stuart Bingham and Ding Junhui cannot be ruled out either, though they will need both a combination of a deep run in Chengdu, as well as results to go their way for those further up…

Battle for the Top 16

While those battles already mentioned are worth keeping an eye on, with Masters places up for grabs, the most significant bracket at this cut-off is the top 16.

Those still in realistic contention are as follows:

  • 14th – Matthew Stevens – 47300
  • 15th – Ronnie O’Sullivan – 45980
  • 16th – Ali Carter – 45360


  • 17th – Joe Perry – 45080*
  • 18th – Barry Hawkins – 44995*
  • 19th – Mark Davis – 44510
  • 20th – Martin Gould – 44110

*not qualified for the International Championship

So where to start with this gaggle of players?

The first point to note is that as reigning world champion, Ronnie O’Sullivan is assured of a place at the Masters, regardless of whether he finishes inside the top 16 at the November seedings revision.

Secondly, the tasks of Pink Army duo Joe Perry and Barry Hawkins are that much harder, given that they have failed to qualify for the final stages of the International Championship and so have only a maximum of 2,000 points to gain at the ET3 event. At best, Perry must win at least one match in Antwerp to stand any mathematical chance, whilst Barry will require two, assuming that Ali Carter were to lose his openers in both Belgium and China.

Better placed to challenge Ali for that final top 16 place are Mark Davis and Martin Gould, who as fate would have it, are on course to meet at the last 16 stage of the International Championship in Chengdu. That said, both have tough matches in store against Mark Williams and Marco Fu respectively if they are to make that potential showdown a reality.

Of the two, with a bigger points gain on offer as a seed in China, Martin Gould is perhaps the better placed and with a first-round win at the tournament, could move above both Carter and O’Sullivan in the list, with the chance to climb further. Mark meanwhile would require at least a quarter-final run (again pending the results in Belgium), if he is to move into contention.

Further down the list, Welsh duo Ryan Day and Dominic Dale both have an outside chance of cracking the top 16, though again would be reliant on both deep runs themselves and early exits for Ali Carter at the next two events.

The Top 32

With Stephen Hendry retired, this effectively becomes the battle for the top 33 and those immediately in contention are as follows:

  • 30th – Ken Doherty – 36055
  • 31st – Stephen Hendry – 35475**
  • 32nd – Jamie Cope – 35360*


  • 33rd – Fergal O’Brien – 34420


  • 34th – Mark King – 34405*
  • 35th – Jamie Burnett – 34050
  • 38th – Michael White – 30680

*not qualified for the International Championship
** retired

Most vulnerable in this bracket heading towards the upcoming seedings revision is Stoke’s Jamie Cope, who having lost out to to India’s Aditya Mehta in qualifying for the International Championship will be hoping to gain enough points in Antwerp to stay above those immediately below him.

His closest challenger currently is Ireland’s Fergal O’Brien, who has qualified for the final stages in Chengdu, though with an opening round tie against Judd Trump and (subject to results at ET3), requiring a quarter-final at the International Championship if he is to rise above 33rd.

The first man currently outside of snooker’s de facto second tier however is Mark King and just 15 points behind O’Brien, if he can progress one round further than the Irishman then he will be well-placed to reclaim a place in the top 32 at the cut-off.

Similarly, Jamie Burnett is within striking distance of the pair, particularly as he remains in the draw for the International Championship having qualified for the venue.

Finally, in with an outside chance is Welshman Michael White, however realistically, nothing less than a run to the final of his first full televised ranking event will suffice for him.

The Top 48

As often seems to be the case, the battle for the top 48 (or 49 if we discount Hendry), is arguably the most hotly contested:

  • 47th – Liu Chuang – 25760*
  • 48th – Gerard Greene – 25670
  • 49th – David Gilbert – 25454


  • 50th – Steve Davis – 25220
  • 51st – Jimmy White – 25080
  • 52nd – Mark Joyce – 24720
  • 53rd – Alan McManus – 24250
  • 54th – Jimmy Robertson – 24050

*not entered ET3

Making the situation in this bracket somewhat clearer, none of the players listed above have qualified for the International Championship, while Liu Chuang has not entered ET3 either, leaving himself vulnerable to the chasing pack.

Indeed, Liu’s absence means that just one win each in Antwerp will be enough for Gerard Greene and David Gilbert to push him down to 49th place, while Steve Davis would pass him with two. That said, Steve has been handed a tough draw with Michael Holt and potentially John Higgins standing in his way if he is to reach the last 32 stage.

Further down, Jimmy White and Mark Joyce require at least a third round run if they are to stand a chance, while Alan McManus would need a minimum of a semi-final appearance.

The Top 64

With those outside of the top 64 at the start of the season beginning on zero points, the situation here is relatively clear cut, with just two places available on the assumption that both Stephen Hendry and Joe Jogia will be absent from the season’s upcoming tournament.

If there are to be no further withdrawals, then their places will go to Rod Lawler and Cao Yupeng, who are already far enough clear of 67th placed Kurt Maflin to be assured of remaining inside the ‘top 66’ as such.


  • zabaks

    If nothing has changed since Hearns announcements back in May, German Masters seems to have this new format – one round of qualification (33rd seed to 64th playing 65th to 96th). This makes the battle for being ranked inside top 32 more significant than usually.

  • PrestatynFan

    Excellent article as usual – just one small error – in the narrative it should state “Liu Chuang has not entered ET3” not “International Championship” from which he has already been eliminated.

    • matt2745

      Fixed, cheers!

  • Mike S

    It would appear from the latest World Snooker rankings and Order of Merit that Yupeng got only 360 points and 500 euros for ET2. He didn’t go to Poland so perhaps he wasn’t awarded the points and money for the second-round win. If this is not a mistake by World Snooker then Maflin has a remote chance of making the top 66, although he’d have to win ET3 with Yupeng losing his first matches in both Antwerp and China.

    There’s also a small error on the projected seedings page which doesn’t affect any of the issues discussed here – Mehta should have 6470 points, not 6460. Additionally the players who haven’t entered ET3 should have red entries.

    • matt2745

      Interesting, will check that out over the weekend. Adi’s points fixed, thanks

      • Mike S

        It looks like it was a mistake – the rankings link on today’s item links to a different file to the one accessible from the home page (~178443 instead of ~178420) and in this newer version Yupeng has the 560 for ET2. They’ve also given him £587 in the new money list (i.e. 750 euros at 78.2p per euro – all of the two-year card players who won 500 euros appear to have been given £391, so that seems to be the exchange rate for ET2).

        I’ve also noticed that Adi could reach the top 66 if he has an exceptional run in China (e.g. reaching the final, or reaching the semifinal along with a good performance in Antwerp). Advani could also have done so, but I see from other sites that he’s withdrawn from the International Open because of the clash with the world billiards championship.

  • RM

    Do have any idea about what points are coming after this cut off or will there be another period of time where you can’t update the seedings because you don’t know which points will be kept?

    • matt2745

      Not sure yet, last time the decision literally wasn’t confirmed until the day I posted it, so it couldn’t physically have been earlier.

      As soon as I know, I’ll post it though.

      • Kevin

        At last 4 months into the season the WPBSA have made their minds up on how to delete the events from 2 seasons ago. As you will note Matt they have changed their minds since you were informed of the plan.

        Really amazing, this should have been decided at the start of the season, but i’m sure the new money ;ist will solve all these problems!!


  • Mics147


    Does this table mean that EPTC 3 and 4 of 2010 still count at the cut-off date? If yes, then you have to revise your seeding list. But this is very weird in my opinion …

    • Mike S

      According to this new list the points for EPTC3 and 4 from 2010 should have been removed before the first cut-off, so the seedings for the International Championship were wrongly calculated.

      • Mike S

        Correction – that should have been UK PTC3 and 4.

        • Cab

          Yeah, either that points removal date list they just published is wrong, or they haven’t followed their own criteria for the first cut off. It can be easily seen from the ranking position of Barry Pinches, who’s ranked 63rd for the international championship (and seeded 61st because of hendry and jogia not playing the event). Had his 2560 points for 2010 ptc3 and 4 been removed at the first cut off, he would be ranked 64th. I’m sure there are many others who are affected as well, that was just the easiest example to spot.