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Flat Draws And Fairness – Held Over Matches Set To Return

Ding5When it was first announced that World Snooker would move away from the traditional tiered format of events a couple of years ago, the concern amongst some was that it could lead to a situation where big names might crash out of tournaments at the qualifying stages, resulting in venues and broadcasters being left without their big names.

  • Click here to view my previous post, Flat Draws and Fairness, a Look Ahead to Snooker’s New Dawn (Feb 2013)

During 2013/14, this did not come to pass to any great extent, but already part-way into the following season, we have seen Ding Junhui miss out on both his home event at the Wuxi Classic, as well as the International Championship where he was defending champion, while world champion Mark Selby and Liang Wenbo were other high profile absentees at the Chengdu event.

Earlier on Twitter, one member of the snooker community @mics147 explained (below) that this month’s Snooker Scene has reported that the 2015 China Open will now see matches involving Ding and Selby held over to the venue, to ensure that this will not happen in Beijing:

 

 

It is a move that alongside the fact that three full-ranking events have not yet converted to a flat 128 format, arguably represents if not a u-turn, then a deviation from the policy aimed to promote fairness and give every player the same opportunity, at the expense of guaranteeing the appearance of top ranked players at venues for the benefit of TV broadcasters.

The debate generated by the above tweets was one that I would have been proud of, with players and Barry Hearn commenting as follows:

 

 

Clearly then, there are strong views on this news amongst some of snooker’s professionals and I can understand why, given the quotes that came from Barry Hearn prior to the introduction of the flat draw format 18 months ago.

It is interesting though to look back at my detailed analysis of this issue following the initial announcement in February 2013, when I considered the issue of held over matches as raised at the time by Mark Williams, together with quotes from Hearn and also WPBSA Chairman Jason Ferguson at the time.

In particular the words of Ferguson, who I quoted from Snooker Island as follows:

“So in principle that is what it is. It’s quite basic and it has to be the fairest system of all. I think the situation is though that there are going to be times where let’s say we have a new event in India. The likelihood is that we will want to hold over two of those matches for the Indian players. And I’m sure that that will eventually happen in China as well where they will want to hold over some of their best matches for the final stages. So we’ll certainly have to accommodate for a few extra matches at the venue.”

“Some of the players to be fair are raising concerns over that and asking whether it’s fair or not because it’s possible you could get the seeds in round 2 always playing at the venue. That is certainly a concern of mine as well, I think there are some issues there which we’ll need to iron out. But the bottom line is that the players who win more matches will go to the top and the players who lose will fall by the wayside.”

18 months on, this is exactly what has come to pass and in particular given the results involving the likes of Ding and Selby so far this season, it is not too surprising to see that World Snooker have reacted in this way.

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While there will be legitimate questions raised of the fairness or otherwise of the decision to hold over particular matches to the venue stages of events, I can’t help but feel that from a commercial perspective at least, the decision to hold over matches is one that makes sense and it is probably safe to assume that broadcasters in Beijing were keen to avoid another premature exit for their number one player..

As some have suggested, does this mean that we are now going round in circles, with a return to matches being held over to venues as we have seen on many occasions in the past for overseas events?

For me that would be an overstatement. Tournaments will still be played under a flat 128 format and the amount of matches that each player will be required to win in order to lift the title will be the same, as opposed to under the tiered structure.

But for those players who will see their matches held over, there will clearly be an advantage, which as Mark Williams points out will only be eradicated with all 128 players beginning at the venue, as in York at the UK Championship for example.

Given the costs implications that would involve for players in the lower half of the rankings though, that would open up another can of worms entirely…

  • ANON

    Bazza has tweeted that the people playing Ding/Selby will get £2k expenses for having their match held over to the venue (“those losers” was the actual phrase he used:)
    It is at least an acknowledgment by Bazza (at last) of how much it costs to go to China for a tournament (I would suggest £2k is quite tight actually)

    • E JONES

      Players losing in the last 128 of a tournament receives no money. so if a last 128 Match featuring Ding Junhui vs Oliver Brown is carried over to China Ding obviously can afford that trip but Oliver Brown with a threat of having no money couldn’t.

  • kimball144

    Fast handling of an akward situation actually but in my world the perfect set up would be 144 players – top 16 through to last 64 in the main venue.Key argument is the cuts, they are many and circulate players but absolute flat draw is in a sense unfair to the lowest ranked players.A lot of stuff is unfair and you have to be a Brit to whine about the wildcards, to go to England for qualifiers to turn pro and for tournaments qual. too, is tailormade to give brits an edge. System is still a bit slow,
    some players could be fasttracked to the tour, visas is a bummer too.Iran would probably have 6-8 pros on the tour in four years time if they got the chance to play.Fact right now is that there are not 144 players with pro statues, not even 96, 64 is probably the right number.

  • kimball144

    How can 2K £ be tight for going to China?? It is the only place where hotel is free for the players, flight could never be more than 1K£

  • kimball144

    Another point, shouldn’t Iran players have matches held over in asian tournaments, since they are not allowed into UK??

  • arne b

    I don’t really understand all the complaining about matches being held over. It’s not unfair at all from a sports point of view. Still the same number of matches to be played to win, same number of opponents to be beaten for everyone. It’s just a way of acknowledging the importance of top players. They don’t get an advantage in a sports sense, but in a commercial sense, which is absolutely fine. If you oppose holding matches over, you should also oppose the Masters, CoC, probably World Grand Prix, …basically all invitational events.

  • James Bunce

    I’m not really adding a lot to the debate, I apologise, but that last tweet from Hearn, really annoyed me. He’s such an arrogant, egotist, he’s not good for the game at all.

  • Kevin

    The early period of the Hearn revolution is starting to unravel. Whilst Hearn came in with lots of promises to make the game more even the “commercial reality” has hit home to him that in a competitive world TV and media only want “stars”. They don’t want to see people developing into future stars as the watching public have only an interest in players at the top end.
    So from the Masters, we now have the Champion of Champions, Grand Prix, Shootout, Champions League all restricted to a small number of players.
    The removal of PTC events and transferring all to mainland Europe as well as the removal of an Asian event has also reduced the earnings potential this season.
    The tiered draws in 3 events and now the holding over of certain matches is another blow to the lower ranked players.
    Plus of course the problem for non British players of having to travel to the UK to play qualifiers for an event, often in their own country. Do they receive £2,000 in these cases? No mention has been made of this happening.
    The introduction of a wildcard system to maintain Davis’s interest in the game is also another minor issue introduced.
    The problems are increasing for Hearn and he faces a battle to continue the advancement of the game for all players.

  • Matt

    Cheers for the comments guys, appreciate the feedback/debate.

  • mikets

    One advantage for a lower-ranked player who manages to win in one of these held-over matches would that he would avoid potentially having to play in the wildcard round since the draw for the wildcards needs to take place before the venue stages start.